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San
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Posted on 10-11-11 9:29
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It seems like a few people have been making accusations against sajha based on their own standards of judgment, accusing sajha every other day of being 'maoist supporter', 'baburam supporter', 'terrorist supporter'.
I have nothing but empathy at their naivete and their penchant to make blanket accusations to satisfy their own self interests.
These kinds of accusations are to be expected and even appreciated because it gives me an opportunity to explain the beauty of sajha once in a while!
Lot of people have stuck to sajha since it's inception 10 year ago and they, as well as the sajha archives stand as witness to the numerous accusations hurled at sajha.com and myself. During the royal regime, sajha/myself were accused to be the royal supporters many times. At the same time, sajha was also being accused as Maoist supporters by few. It is understandable why they make accusations but people need to grow up and see the big picture.
The first email that users get, indicates as a first rule, the sajha policy of not supporting personal propaganda. Sajha is there as a tool to help people using the combined intelligence and experience of all visitors here. When one individual or one small group of individuals start using sajha as their own personal vehicle of expressing and imposing their views on others on a continuous basis, it undermines the usefulness of sajha because, then, to regular or new sajha visitors, it seems like sajha is all about these peoples personal propaganda.
Hence, if it becomes clear that the only reason you are in sajha is to propagate your own personal propaganda and/or views by posting the same/similar content multiple times in a continuous basis, then sajha will have to try to warn you about it. But because sajha gives anonymity, it gives a boost of cyber ego, which gets bruised when sajha sends that warning. Then you indulge in a propaganda against Sajha declaring it as ANTI - (insert your cause here).
On top of that, 2 or 3 users will make their personal judgment seem like national concensus by posting the same thing over and over or by keeping a certain thread alive. In this case, makalekancha, collegefootballrocks and nagarikreport seems to be the ones who are proliferating this baseless accusations.
The fact that sajha did not delete any of your comments so far shows that sajha is not against your views that is expressed in a respectful discussion. If your postings start being abusive to other's families for not agreeing with you, if you start re-repeating your same statements in different threads, then you will hear from sajha. Sajha is not about you alone.
Some of you might remember, even NAS got banned from sajha for trying to make sajha all about him. Re-repeating posts after posts on his own greatness, indulging in a personal propaganda of self promotion.
Anyways, I hope now, you understand that sajha does not support any particular political group per se, but individual actions that empower Nepal and Nepalis.
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alece
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Posted on 10-11-11 12:50
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collegefootballrocks...makalekancha...nagarikreport ko no comment till now ???lmao!!!poor souls!!! god help these morons!!!
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राछस
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Posted on 10-11-11 1:06
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Some people think they are really smart. I mean really really smart, smarter than anyone in this world but in reality there are nothing more than an idiot who even can't figure out the direction. That's the main reason they imagine things in their head and come up with their own logic. During the five years of sajha(since i started visiting it), all i know is its a platform for us(specially
those who are outside of nepal) too meet and share little and small things that matters to us.I don't know about the others but for me its not controvery that's brings me over here, to be specific, its the thread with stories, gajals, asking for help, getting help, sharing the experience, education that makes me keep visiting again and again. I am really glad to know that some users are banned
to post and thats the main reason we are seeing some good users rising on the other hand. These good users are the people we need here in sajha, not all those junks who can't do anything better than pulling legs and acquising others. People always find a way to modify the words and i don't get surprised by seeing such action. I fully support what san dai is doing and really glad to see those junks are out of here. And here is one thing to all of you "If you are a hater and hate me then don't bother coming close to me." So if you don't like sajha then just don't come here
as simple as that.
Peace
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BABAL Khate
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Posted on 10-11-11 1:21
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Some people are trying so hard to be demonically evil that they miss a joke when they see one....
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Geology Tiger
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Posted on 10-11-11 1:25
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Hey San dai,
Thanks for your clarification ( or warning?) against some of the recent accusations made against Sajha. I have always considered Sajha as the common platform to express ideas, views and oponions for all Nepalese people carrying different ideology and also share the information. But sometimes when a group of people want all of us to support their ideas and tagged as supporter of terrorist and criminals otherwise, I can't digest it all and start to post against them. Please let me know if you feel I am attacking someone personally. Because I enjoyed this platform of Sajha and don't want to get banned
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San
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Posted on 10-11-11 2:12
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Gabbar singh,
You have a valid observation in saying that people are trying to promote maoism more than anything in sajha thesedays.
You might be right and you might be wrong. I haven't looked at the percentage of maoism supporting post versus other 'ism' supporting posts to be able to give you a factual answer but I can say that sajha has normally followed the norm of general interest.
I think it is only a natural progression of things for Nepalis to hope for a better future with the current PM. So it is only logical that people post their hopes from the new leadership. Perhaps, BRB does not perform as hoped then it would not be surprising to see posts in sajha supporting other 'ism's that people have hope for.
Also, as I have indicated, and someone else has also hinted, the language used to promote one's belief may be grounds for banning if utter disrespect is shown towards others disagreeing with the poster.
HomeyJi that's a nice fictional story you have written. Very entertaining! If I was Nas I would probably copy paste the good attributes you have written about me after every one of my posts. LOL.
GT your responses have not hit my radar as possible intolerant behavior/propaganda so we're all good :)
I won't be able to answer everyone's queries but if something is very important I may respond.
Have a good week!
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Gabbar Singh
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Posted on 10-11-11 2:47
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San Dai:
I am not seeking the answer for this but these "ism" discussion in sajha has not erupted only recently (after BRB was declared PM), but maoisms advertisement were seen frequently in sajha once in a while by different usernames. I was just wondering why only the concerns about maoisms erupt here and other "isms" are kinda quiet. Too many posts in promoting maoism had even raised my anger level in the past and I probably had some bitter conversations but you should have monitoring system (as you are doing now which i do appreciate) all the times for these sorts of unhealthy promotions here in sajha (which ultimately is a democratic forum and one can legitimately express his/her feelings), unlike terrorists motivated and conducted website, unfamely known as mysansar.com. Sabai Nepali ko jaya hos!!!
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Posted on 10-11-11 2:49
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Quote of the day :"If your postings start being abusive to other's families for not agreeing with you, if you start re-repeating your same statements in different threads, then you will hear from sajha. Sajha is not about you alone. "
Thank you San dai for this :-) Now i hope of family wouldnt be scolded for writting somthing on sajha.
Gabber Singh , I thought you are thinking like nagarikreport , college kunni k and makalekancha that I am maoist and promoting Maoism on Sajha. Dude, if you have read my post on every other post I have been saying I am not supporter of any political parties. If I was I will open threads for Maoist and Baburam saying Maobad jindabad , Baburam Amar rahum :-P
As all sajha users i also have right to open threads and write whatever i can , thats what i did. Its not like that i will write somthing over here and i will be supporter of that and its also not like that i will not write about somthing and i will not be supporter .
Grow up dude. Horlick khau !
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Posted on 10-11-11 3:18
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Funny:
"If I was Nas I would probably copy paste the good attributes you have written about me after every one of my posts."
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Gabbar Singh
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Posted on 10-11-11 4:26
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facebook bro: When and where did I say that it is you who promoted maoism? Please cite me where did I say that. I was talking about some older posts and you are just blaming me for no reason. Now, whether you are or not, seems like you are maoist (and a hardcore) and could not hear anything bad about maoist. Grow up dude, I also know the how to play the blaming game and shatter someone with personal attack, but like San Dai said, it is not a perfect place to do that. If you do not belong to jungle family, you probably understand what I mean, rest is upon you. God bless you.
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nagarikreport
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Posted on 10-11-11 6:28
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San,
Observing your writing, you do seem to be hopeful from Maoists/Terrorists though? Isn't it clear that you are biased and that could be a reason why a deal under the table may have happened for using Sajha.com to advertise Maoism/Terrorism?
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Posted on 10-11-11 6:37
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Copying it here, but this message was important to be trasmitted.
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Those who say they have forgotten the brutal killings of their family will not be cold blooded like this and support terrorism if it was really true. You must be either Babuam Bhattarai himself or one who gets paid to post.
Even if you are the real victim and you are the new Avatar of Buddha, you may forgive Baburam and his terrorist group; but who in the world gave you authority to forgive these terrorists on behalf of all the victims? I don't forgive and almost 100% will not.
What did you get from Maoists/Terrorists in exchange of your father's corpse? Rs. 10,000?
Are you willing to forgive Terrorist baburam bhattarai for killing your father because you got the luxury of Green Card in US through Asylum? Did you pray that your father be killed so that you can file for asylum?
Doesn't it sound brutal now?
Killing of a human being is not politics, it is terrorism and terrorists deserve to die. These is no hope from terrorists of Nepal; they must bee executed. Period.
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Posted on 10-11-11 9:41
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I hereby grant the greatest conspiracy theorist of the 21st century to the poster above......
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Posted on 10-11-11 11:54
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@nagarikreport do you want sajha to ban all maoist supporters????? I can't coz its not mine and I wouldn't coz its not right.
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Posted on 10-12-11 1:30
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San Dai:
Rish ko jhok maa aayera kaile kaahi kehi badhi bolinchha. Maafi paau. But, saachhi nai yi maobaadi kukur haru yaha badhi nai bhukne gareko jasto tapailai laagdaina. Feri j paayo tyahi bole. Aru kurama ramrari bolna pani jaandachhu ma but when it comes to maoists, mero ragat umlera aauchha....Aafno pidaaa aafaima chha Dai, aru le k nai bujhlaa ra....Anyways, Dai, sorry for using such languages but I hope you won't let promote maoism here. thanks and have a goood night.
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nagarikreport
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Posted on 10-12-11 2:45
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goddamm,
No one is asking San to ban anyone. I believe in freedom of speech. He just can't ban voice against terrorism and promote voice for terrorism. The issue here is that San has been banning those users who post anything against terrorism. At the same time, he has been letting Sajha.com used as a terrorism promotion website.
Terrorism has no space. Stop ruining this world. Execute all terrorists en-masse.
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San
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Posted on 10-12-11 8:56
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Collegefootballrocks, thanks for your message. I do understand that once in a while it may be difficult to control one's temper.
Nagarikreport,
If I am to understand you correctly, your issue with sajha is that you think people are promoting Maoism here in sajha. You have a right to express your dissatisfaction at that. But here's the bigger picture. It's not like one or two persons are writing positive things about Maoism here but multiple people expressing their opinion and hopes they have on the current PM. If one person was re-repeating same stuff all the time about his support for Maoism, then that would be a cause for concern but different individuals writing about Maoism randomly is not a cause for concern nor a conspiracy.
You might ask why? Just look at Nepal. Maoist won majority in the Nepalese Assembly. They won the election showing that majority of Nepal supports them. Sajha is just a microcosm of Nepal in the virtual world. In a democratic world, majority votes to put their popular party in power. And thus the Maoist came into mainstream politics in Nepal. That is how democracy works.
Having said that, I personally denounce any form of pain, suffering and killing of human beings and strongly feel against the murderous tactics used by the Maoist to gain the stronghold that has led to their current position. But ideological differences have to be set aside in a democracy. In every democratic country like in the US, there are oppositions that go neck to neck in elections but after the election everyone has to support the majority elected government.
What they did, ie. pain, suffering and killing of Nepalis, was wrong in my personal opinion and I am sure many others including the victims. But as I said, democracy is a voice of the majority and you have to respect that if you want to be a part of the democracy. Many more people, who have fought for democracy, have been declared martyrs in Nepal's history. They have fought for the democracy where the majority would be able to vote for their choice of government.
That does not necessarily mean that democracy is always right, because there will always be a lot of grey areas which is always open for discussion. It may be right for a country where most people are literate and can make educated decisions. It may not be positive for a country where most people are illiterate because their decisions may not be the right one for the betterment of the country and citizens.
Coming back to your case. Let's look at your options. You have been victimized by the Maoist during their fight for power. But now that they occupy the government PM position, you feel cheated and want justice. You don't care anymore for democracy. You care for your personal justice. You cannot go around Nepal screaming "Maoists are terrorists and all of Nepal are terrorists because they support maoists." - which is what your logic implies. So you find a virtual solace and come to sajha to scream the same thing - replacing Nepal by Sajha.
I don't know what would happen in Nepal if you did that for too long. But in sajha you are allowed to voice your dissatisfactions but you are warned to not take shots at others for disagreeing with you. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that you were wronged. But everyone is allowed to move on. I am sure that it is very difficult for you to move on and I sincerely hope that you will find peace in your heart someday. Others may have not been affected as much as you and they have moved on for a better hope for nepal and their future. You cannot start hating others for not feeling like you do.
Bottom line, please stop spewing hatred in sajha. If you want to discuss with valid points please do so, if you have to start calling other names for having different perspective than you, and if you keep continuing that then I will have to wish you a better journey somewhere else.
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Posted on 10-12-11 9:16
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Nagarikreport,
Give us ONE example of whom you deemed was an anti-Maoist poster and was RESPECTFUL of opposing views, DECENT in the use of language, and was banned from Sajha.
For that matter, give us ONE example of whom you deemed was a Maoist supporter and was DISRESPECTFUL, ABUSIVE, yet was not banned.
Occasional outbursts here and there are understandable, and I am sure Sajha has tolerated those; but here, I am talking about those who have been such CONSISTENTLY enough to raise some eyes brows.
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Posted on 10-12-11 9:18
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Thanks SAN Dai....ho tesari naam liyera lekheko post yesai gari hataunu parchha....after all, you probably noticed ki I did not start. i was trying to be cool but....anyways, God Bless you.
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Posted on 10-12-11 9:46
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Nagarikreport,
Your replies are always out of context. Why do I see you resorting in cheap accusations when you run out of words? San has been very generous answering all of your questions and so far he has been unbiased. Pardon my words, but wouldn't you think it is a little juvenile on your part?
I do not support anyone when it comes to a wronged politics, but I do support a politician if he endeavors for a better cause, be it Baburam, Sujata, Sarah Palin, Nas or even you. Does that mean I am biased?
I sincerely advise you a quick introspection bhai, don't you think enough is enough? Why beat a dead horse when no one listens to you?
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Posted on 10-12-11 10:52
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San,
Your long reply is missing the critical point. Just because terrorists are able to occupy sajha.com with their money by mutiple postings, would you allow it to become a terroism platform? For politically biased people like you, Maoists are Maoists, but for independent people, Maoists are terrorists. You label terrorists as Maoists in order to color the crime politically.
I'm sure you know what those entities are called who support terrorism.
There is no such thing called "personal" in Justice system. Do you take the responsibility of killing those innocents? When someone in your family is killed, the government takes care of the care; even if you want to forgive, the government makes sure the criminal is fried in electric chair (why don't they do it anymore?)
The lesson to learn from a business view: Let Sajha be Sajha; if you support terrorism, there might be a day when your credibillity will also be questioned (and may be charges?). Look at you, you are already defending yourself since you sided with the terrorists.
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