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 What if India resumes the military aid for Nepal?
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Posted on 04-25-05 6:37 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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India has agreed for arms supply which will continue within a week. They have even discussed about SAARC summit. It looks like the Indians have blinked and are going to support our Lord King Maharaj Gyanendra.

I hope the deal made by the King and the Sardarji is not where our Lord is giving away some strategic land or another river of Nepal for this deal to go through.

Or maybe our Lord's ghaitoma gham lagyo and he has assured the Indians of specific swift plans to restore democracy.

All will be seen in the days to come.....
 
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India has agreed for arms supply which will continue within a week. They have even discussed about SAARC summit. It looks like the Indians have blinked and are going to support our Lord King Maharaj Gyanendra.

I hope the deal made by the King and the Sardarji is not where our Lord is giving away some strategic land or another river of Nepal for this deal to go through.

Or maybe our Lord's ghaitoma gham lagyo and he has assured the Indians of specific swift plans to restore democracy.

All will be seen in the days to come.....
 
Posted on 04-25-05 9:55 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dont forget about river sold by Nepali Congress & UML.
 
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Gyane has promised Manmohan Singh that he will sack Tulsi Giri, lift emergency and press censorship and form a new all party cabinet within the next month and a half.
Gyane bajjiya khub batho chha. He will lure some dogs from the party to his bajhan mandali and start another lakhe natch. The only way to cleanse Nepal's dirt is to send Lord Bishnu to the hell. Hopefully his suputra will do that.
 
Posted on 04-25-05 10:45 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Whats so surprising about this. Its not Indians have blinked. ITs India having its part, overt or covert thats all. Its nothing new.
Now the question is, What India wants from Nepal? India certainly wants something in return from Nepal. Till date its always Bilateral river projects treaties. Lets see what they have in deck this time around.
 
Posted on 04-25-05 12:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Please see my post from 2/24/2005 [I wrote it under gaule_kancha nickname], "PLAYING THE CHINA CARD - WHAT'S INDIA GOING TO DO?" .

There I argued that Feb 1 move by King G put the political and security establishments in New Delhi in a big dilemma. The Indian government's knee-jerk reaction was to condemn the bloodless coup, withdraw its ambassador, demand that the King restore multi-party system, and suspend military aid. But not all foreign policy wonks in New Delhi were in agreement with that policy. Some thought that Indian government should have used a less confrontational rhetoric in order to avoid being "put in a box" [very true in retrospect] while others argued that India should actively support the King in order to defeat the Maoists, the supposedly common security threat. I used the word "supposedly" because we know that India was complicit in the rise of the Maoists in the late 1990s, much like it had a role in the rise of the LTTE in the early 1980s and Ariel Sharon had a role in the rise of the Hamas in the mid-1980s. Case in point, in 2003, Shyam Sharan, then Indian ambassador to Nepal and now the secretary in the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, denied India harboring Maoists when Nepali media were publishing reports about Madhav Nepal meeting Prachanda in Lukhnow. Given this weekend?s U-turn in Indian policy vis-a-vis Nepal and Natwar Singh's announcement that the resumption of military aid to RNA was "unconditional" observers are scratching their heads and saying "what the heck is going on here."

My guess is that King G understood India better than India understood King G. As I said in my earlier post, immediately prior and just after the coup, King G actively played the China card. Later he expanded to include Pakistan to India's horror. India remained aloof while Chinese foreign minister and Pakistan PM visited Nepal, and Pakistan and Nepal "upgraded" their economic cooperation. India probably realized that it was losing leverage over Nepal faster than it could handle. In the olden days, India would probably taken dramatic actions like sanction (Nepal - 1990) or intervention (East Pakistan - 1970) but we live in a different world today, and moreover, Sheriff Bush would not allow that. India's only option was to work with the powerbrokers of Kathmandu. Sure, India would have preferred Congress party in Singha Durbar - "who needs Sadhbhawana when you have Congrees" - but given the impotence of Congress to advance its causes through street protests, India probably felt that it needed to cut its loses now before it was too late. King G may have promised something to Manmohan Singh as a face saving device, much like he promised Americans to hold local election as a step towards full-democracy, a classic Musharaff tactics [remember, the King made that announcement couple of days after the American ambassador left Nepal for "consultation" and media speculated that Americans had given the King a week's deadline to take concrete steps to restore democracy].

This U-turn in Indian policy is A VERY HUGE DEAL because India is the only country in the world than can actually impact events in Nepal - mainly because of its geography. This change of heart of the giant neighbor is a big boost to the current regime, and will help consolidate the power of the King - forget the 3 years of direct rule; it?s time to prepare for 30+ years. King G has shrewdly outmaneuvered both his domestic and international opponents. The only way to reverse the country?s slide towards the medieval social and political order is for strong internal opposition, but NOT the Maoists kind. That is not going to happen until Girija, Deuba and Nepal, and their cohorts are banished to Banarashi and fresh face come to lead the opposition parties. Which sane Nepali is going to shed blood again on the streets of Kathmandu to bring those guys to power? Ironically, the Maoists have become emboldened since Feb 1. They say, this is the last stage of their war. I don?t think Maoists have the capacity to run over the country - they have yet to capture and hold onto a district headquarter. At the same time, I also don?t believe news coming from RNA?s propaganda department. The RNA, with less than 100,000 troops, and more than 35% of that based in Kathmandu and another 50% concentrated in towns and cities and just a token of batallions in villages cannot win this war. All the reports about victories in this district, in that district are just made-up stories. I come from a village in western Nepal and I know the situation there through my conversations with those who have been there - things have gotten worse not better since Feb 1. Most likely, this conflict is going to take an ugly turn. The increasingly bloody and brutal war been the King?s army and Prachanda?s army will squeeze the moderate elements in Nepali society, and force them to chose between them. I think that will be the greatest tragedy of all.

 
Posted on 04-25-05 1:38 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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CIVIL WAR
"What we've got here is failure to
communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men." *

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

And
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war

Look at the shoes your filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

"WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS
FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A VACUUM
THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM
AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES
PEACE IS CLOSER" **

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway

- GNR
 
Posted on 04-25-05 6:06 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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why do you think that the palace has to sell something in order to get Indian support. It is in India's best interest to have a calm and quiet neighbour. Don't you look for a quiet neighbourhood when looking for an apartment?

All that aid suspension and other acts were to show the world. Indian politicians are shrewd mofos. They wanna make friends with the strongest in nepal. WHo is the strongest in nepal right now? If a few hundred thousand nepalis had taken to the streets against the king, the situation would be different and India's loyalties would be different as well.

All other countries (maybe besides England) will follow India's lead when it comes to their foreign policy towards Nepal. Just wait and watch how everyone will start smiling towards nepal after india's ashirvaad.

There is no selling anything. People do what is best for them. This is what India is doing. All King G sold to Manmohan Singh is the fact that the medicine maybe bitter but it has potential to work.

Lets see how it folds out. I remember MM Singh's 9 month defiance of India and I remember Koirala/Bhattarai's 9 years ass licking of India. No more selling. No pimps are running the country now. Give it a little more time. Once emergency rule is lifted, aid starts coming in, people decide not to die for maoist leaders anymore, and it'll all be good.

atleast until the time when once again blood is needed to cleanse the system. its inevitable.
 
Posted on 04-25-05 6:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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There must be some form of aggrements between MM Singh and KG.

I guess, KG proposed only support but India proposed many more things as, Upper Karnali, Herbs, River linking Projects and many more...

Our leaders also did the same thing, BP Koirala sold our rivers, Girija sold Tanakpur and Deuwa with the help of Madhav sold Mahakali.

But the difference between leaders era and KG era is that we (Nepalese) even do not know what KG sold but we did know what leaders had sold.
 
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Internally, India was soft from the beginning.
Barking dog seldom bites.
As Swati Sis stated above the only question is "What India is looking for in return."
It doesn't matter for India whether there is democracy in Nepal or not. It needs Girilja or his equivalent to dance in Indian tunes.
That's all.
 
Posted on 04-25-05 7:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey guys,
Manmohan Singh has said to his communist allies that he had only told KG that India will consider about the resupply of arms and that the Indian government is yet to make a final decision. Resupply starts with the lifting of emergency. (Quote: source-verified )

But still everybody knows India is always dubious. It supports those who dance to their tunes as Dadagiri opines.
 


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