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deshbhaktanepali
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Posted on 05-17-09 10:48
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In a recent radio show organized by BBC Nepali Sewa, transmitted today (May 17, 2009), Dr. Babu Ram Bhattrai sait he "has a dream of making Nepal atleast like USA or Europe in next 15/ 20 years.". Shouldn't we work to fulfil his dream? But do we trust his words anymore? BTW, there is speculation that LTTE's Chairman, Prabhakaran has committed suicide. They are trying to confirm his body doing DNA testing.
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Posted on 05-30-09 11:58
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irony is brother, that was the goal of army to eliminate all of maoists n its sympathisers pre gyanes fall. n thats wat i hav been saying that they failed to counter insurgents. i dont mean to demean our national army but the fact is fact n i cant beat the hollow pride. difference is u hav taken sides n see urself a saint n other terrorist by which u urself hav promoted to one intiating more hatred n violence. there is vast difference between guerilla warfare and conventional warfare n they all r ugly. b realistic brother ur opinions r nothing but to ignite a hell of fire in our country or maybe u do enjoy counting the number of dead bodies. well, i dont want my members again engaging in a conflict that means nothing to them n is entirely political where they hav to hide thier identity n live very low profile n above all kill own country folks, it would hav been very differnt if the threats were external, if u want ur war u can drag urselves from wherever u r now n do the business urselves brothers. most of the internal details of maoists, whereabout of their key leaders, their real identities, actual number of thier fighters, militia, its all out, u can build ur own strategy n conduct ur own operation good luck bro. at the moment i dont think our national army r willing to b responsible for such genocides.
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raju161
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Posted on 05-30-09 12:16
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errorism :- The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. OH WHAT A PITY A HEAVILY ARMED NEPAL ARMY CAME TO MY VILLAGE...THEY STARTED KILLING AND TERRORISING THE WHOLE VILLAGE WE HAD NOTHING TO DO THEY TOOK ALL OUR CATTLES ,ALL OUR PROPERTIES , AND ALL OUR BELONGINGS ,THEY TOOK ALL THE YOUNG UNEDUCATED BROTHERS ....WITH THEM THOSE WHO STRUGGLED THEY STARTED CUTTING THROAT...ON THEIR WAY THE STARTED BOMBING THE DISTRICT OFFICES THAT ARE BUILT TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO LOCAL PEOPLES ...NOT TO FORGET THEY STARTED BURNING THE VILLAGES ,THEY EVEN KILLED 1 YEAR OLD GIRL , I FELT SO BAD FOR BEING BORN IN THIS MOTHERLAND A PEOPLE SO CALLED NEPAL ARMY STARTED TO KILL THE TEACHER IN THE SCHOOL IN FRONT OF THE SMALL CHILDRENS OH YA THEY GOT THE ORDER FROM KING AND OTHER PARTIES TO TERRORISE THE WHOLE VILLAGE , I HOPE GROUPS LIKE MAOIST WHO PROTECTS OUR FREEDOM TO LIVE SHOULD BE IN POWER , PEOPLE LIKE MAOIST WHO KNOWS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURES THAT ARE BUILT BY INVESTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SHOULD NOT BE BOMBED AND DESTROYED... BE OUR LEADERS .....WE CAN'T BE SECURE WITH NEPAL ARMY COZ THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO GOSSIP AND TALK POLITICS AND DO OUR TIME PASS IN THE OFFICE INSTEAD THEY KICK OUR ASS .....NEPAL ARMY ARE SO BAD ...NONE OF THEM DIED DURING THE WAR OUR ........BUT ONE IMPORTANT THING A GROUPS OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING NEPAL ARMY AND KING KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY GOT TO DIE ,....THEY SHOULD DIE COZ THEY ARE THE REASONS THAT WE CANNOT LIVE IN FREEDOM ......KILL ALL THE NEPALESE WHO DOESNOT SUPPORT PATRIOTS AND NON VIOLENT MAOISTS ....JAY NEPAL BHAGWAN PLEASE SABAI NEPALI HARU LAI BUDDI DEAU NEPAL ARMY BHANEKO HAMRO RAKSHYA KO LAGI HOINA HAMRO HATYA KO LAGI HO....ITS NOT THEM WHO GURANTEED US FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY SINCE 1768 .....TILL NOW ...LET THEM ALL KNOW PEOPLE LIKE MAOIST ARE PROTECTOR OF OUR SOVEREIGNTY ....WHO PROTECTS IT SO GOOD BY HIDING INSIDE INDIA AND WAGE WAR AGAINST BAD NEPAL ARMY BY KEEPING BRAVE AND EDUCATED CADRES BHAGWAN PLEASE BUDDI DEAU!!!
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-30-09 12:26
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Yakthung ji, the key reason why the Maoist terrorists survived had less to do with the army's operations and more to do with India. Ask Dahal and his friends where they spent 8 of the 10 years. The situation now is different to what it was under that idiot Gayne. This time the choices are very clear: you choose the path of terrorism, you get eliminated. Those who don't have the stomach for the fight should just get the hell out of the way and stop getting making a nuisance of themselves. As I said earlier, there is an internal and and external component to this exercise and you don't have to be a Clausewitz to see that. Sure the Maoists terrorists will put up a fight. They don't stand a chance. Not now. All the ducks are being lined up and it's a question of time. The will be hit from all sides with no where to run. If you want to be their human shield. Go right ahead - no doubt you will have your place as a collateral damage statistic. Look my friend, did the deaths of so many civilians get in the way of the LTTE's elimination - no. These Maoists terrorists have it coming to them, whether they run or hide. Terrorism will be eliminated, they just chose the wrong fight.
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sidster
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Posted on 05-30-09 7:21
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Here is what i conclude from my two day marathon on this thread, there are three factions on this thread, they are independents, Maoists sympathizers, and Army Sympathizers. These three are at the three corners of a three equal sided triangle. An Army sympathizer will always see the independents and Maoists on the same page, a Maoists will always see independents and Army fans on the same pace and lastly independents will always see Maoists and Army sympathizers on the same page. For each interests the other two are in equal distance away although the other two are in two separate spots. Sid
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-30-09 8:41
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What started off as a strand about that terrorist Baburam was skilfully manoeuvred into a highly jaundiced discussion on the army’s imperfections that basically labelled our soldiers as the terrorists and the Maoists as the saviours - no doubt the Maoist high command have been made proud by such sophistry on the part of some interlocutors. But such venal efforts hardly matter. Whether one describes oneself as “super independent”, “super very independent”, “super objectively really independent”, the fact remains that Baburam, his wife, Hisila, his boss, Prachanda, and the rest of the Maoists are terrorists – it is really that simple. The tragedy for the Maoists is that the only way ahead for them is oblivion and compared to the LTTE’s leadership, their elimination will be a mere footnote.
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yakthung_laje
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Posted on 05-31-09 1:45
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level me anything brother, but i dont see ur view as a better solution. violonce r counter productive, nepal was already hot bed for any insurgents or rebellions to grow in any form, it came as maoists n now various ethnic groups. all i was saying was our army including our legitimate gov, all those parties n even king, i admire his good itention but loath his wrong choice failed in containing them. situation is different as of sri lanka with nepal, they had fixed frontline, precise enemy targets of particular origins n they were engaging in conventional warfare. maybe u r highly excited knowing that LTTE just got beaten militarily n thier leader prabhakaran dead which u exactly want to happen in nepal too with maoists. i know maoists doesnt stand a chance with army if they hav to fight conventional warfare as in sri lanka, but if the war resumes again it will b guerella warfare and same ol' shiity history continues. india is just an excuse n traditionally a haven for any nepalese rebels to kings to hide or seek help from, had our intel been capable enough it should hav been piece of cake to nab them when they made frequent visit to nepal. i was just saying these r all wat nepal army n prev gov actually failed in when they had a chance to counter them. well, if they break the peace process n officially declares war again then maybe u can arm urself with GPMG n finish whole belt off at anybody who seems maoists. but as of now i dont agree with ur bloody final solution which is no different than of hitlers to elieminate jews. now we hav different scenario, i m afraid its all ur own personal hypothesis n as to materialise it u along with bunch who agrees with u hav to execute it urselves.
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-31-09 9:51
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Yakthung ji- In over 25 years of conflict, which lead to the elimination of the LTTE’s leadership, around 80,000 lives were lost. That’s 80,000 too many lives. The choice there was to take on the terrorists or submit to their dictates. We know what path was opted for and what the results are. With India no longer as accommodating as before, it would take lot less to eliminate the Maoist leadership, probably not exceeding 200 targets, with 300 to 400 in total – that is, if the likes of junior Dahal are thrown in for good measure. In fact, it will beless even compared to Chile in 1973. It might be apt for civil society wallahs like Deverndra Raj and Mathura Shrestha to use such emotive words as “genocide”, but the facts speak otherwise and anyone who has even basic knowledge of the holocaust would find that sort of comparison downright silly. As I said previously, if you want to star as a Kul Bahadur or a Phudong or act as the human shield for these terrorists, that’s your choice. We respect that. You are more than welcome to play the part of the useful idiot for one and a collateral damage statistic for the other side. But I quite agree, that before we allow you launch yourself into martyrdom, we must give these Maoist terrorists enough rope to hang themselves with. For now, it’s the language of consensus, peace, brotherhood/sisterhood, but we all know that these Maoists chose terrorism as their strategy and when your strategy is wrong, no matter what tactical adjustments are made, it won’t make the slightest difference. At long last, it’s good to see that the conditions are coming just right for the rest of us to pay these Maoist terrorists back with interest and in some respects we need to thank lead terrorists like Baburam for this.
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 10:18
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the most important thing is they are termed terrorist by the world but we all nepalese welcomed them in our government even allowed them to take the position of prime minister ....with the dream that they will stop violence and start forming the collaborate and highly promising power in the history of our country....but they involved in self interest.... talking democratic republic in one hand and promising communism to the cadres in the cantonment is a dire example of their intension to kill more 13000 innocent nepalese ...to advocate in terms of maoist and pretend oneself like a peace lover is the example of promoting the killing of more Nepalese by its very nature....a poisonous plants can be prevented from growing if they are pulled out from their very root ......i don't know what everyone things ......
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 10:27
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Peter, Its funny how you think eliminating 300 - 400 leaders would eliminate Maoist problem in Nepal. Trust me no one is more vindictive than Nepalese. The reason why the whole non Mao villages turned into a Mao Villages is because of Army/ Girija leadership with similar thought like yours. Villagers were forced to become Mao to run away from Army harassment and torture. Don't forget that over 35% of Nepali voters voted for Maoists and if 300- 400 leaders are killed another 300 - 400 will be formed until you get rid of the whole 35%. Take an example from Middle east terrorists. US and the world has been fighting over 10 year for all they got and are still not able to win. The war is unwinnable if the most you can take (his life) from them is the least they care about. Here is why i think your ideas are flawed. Anyone who believes in true democracy accepts the majority regardless of how wrong the majority is. That is the failure point of democracy because sometimes 51% of the population could be wrong and could be the rulers. According to your definition of democracy, its only democracy if the party you prefer wins. Being able to address the issue and asking people to compromise is the solution not a Genocide as you wish. Genocide is never an answer. We need someone like Obama to lead the nation. Sid
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raju161
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Posted on 05-31-09 10:51
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sid just wait and watch ........actually even Nepal army should not have to do this ....their own cadres will do this great unforgettable job .....i don't think the person who leaked that video was a guy from Nepal Army ....it was their own caders ...now videos out next .....just wait...it will happen soon ... ANOTHER THING I AM VERY SURPRISED THAT THE WAY YOU INCARNATED AS A GANDI RIGHT NOW ...WOW FEELS GREAT TO SEE THIS ....I ARGUED WITH YOU WITH THE POST YOU MADE ABOUT NEPAL ARMY INVOLVED IN KILLING OF THAT MAOIST BRAINWASHED INNOCENT GIRL AND NOW I AM EVEN MORE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT ...YOU I MEAN YOU SAYING KILLING IS NOT THE ANSWER WOW ..WOW NOW I UNDERSTAND THE WAY HOW CHAMELEON AND THE PERSON LIKE YOU CHANGE ....COLORS ....I BELIEVE ONCE YOU SAID YES KILL ALL TERRORIST ....KILL FU MAOIST AND KILL FU TERRORIST NEPAL ARMY ....THIS IS WHO YOU ARE YOU AND YOUR FLAWED IDEA ...DON'T LEBEL PETER ...SEE YOURSELF..
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 11:09
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Raju, I dont know how many times i need to reiterate to you that i condemn killing. Both Army killings in the name of restoring peace and order and Mao killings for revolution is not acceptable to me. Anyone who practices killing is on the same page to me. There is a chance that one or more Mao leadersbwill be assassinated by someone be it India, US, his own cadres for compromising with Army and political parties, or he could end up being murdered by a vindictive relative of someone who he directed to murder or others. But it certainly will not be Army. Army has shown that they do not have enough intellegence or dedication to contain the terrorists. I have not changed my stance. Both are terrorists and i condemn killings by both, one is not better than the other. I know you are smart enough to believe that i have not resembled a chameleon. You are smart enough not to believe half of what you say yourself. You have one motive here, you just want to show it to the thread readers that Nepal Army is a great organization and it will rescue Nepal from its misery. Sid
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Posted on 05-31-09 11:29
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Sid now i want you to say 1.Who is Baburam Bhattarai? 2. Explain me the meaning of terrorism. 3.explain me why pravakaran is killed options a)because of his highly threatned nature b)because he was not smart 3) what you think about american government's thinking even the obama administration thinks maoist are terrorist and they should surrender their destructive activities. 4)i wan't you to tell me why you call Nepal army terrorist even they are not in the world terrorist list...options is it because they kicked your dad or because they once kicked prachande's ass/ 5) how can you proudly say Nepal army was not able to wipe out maoist....is everything hidden from you? 6)why you think maoist temporarily came to peace agreement? do you think they were growing so large in numbers or do you think they were in the verge of extinction? sidster please don't be offended i call you opportunist and a thugs who wear a blanket with a potrait of gandhi coz i have figured them out from a long discussion together.... Raj
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Peter Bagdas
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Posted on 05-31-09 11:43
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Sid – what don’t you get? Have you forgotten how the Maoists drove opponents out of the villages if not murdered them wholesale? Even with such terror, they could not secure a majority in the CA elections. And I don’t have any qualms about saying that democracy might have faults but there is yet to be found a system that’s better and in that sense you do get anomalies: yes, the Germans voted for the Nazis, but did that make the outcome any better for them? What is not acceptable is that terrorists like the Maoists and Hamas are out to subvert this very system to impose their warped ideology on others as the Nazis tried to do. That is my point of departure with you. Maoists are terrorists. Their goals have never changed. So far we have resisted them. Now it’s time to take the war to them and do away with this parochial, defensive mentality. My friend the conditions now are very different to what they were when Girija wanted to use the army against them. He was prevented from doing so by the palace – but you know that already as someone who supported Gyane. So much time has been wasted in pandering to these terrorists. No matter how much you may wish to preserve your hero Baburam, it’s just not going to happen even if he survives the internal purges. As the chief ideologue of this terrorist outfit he has a great deal to answer for and the time of reckoning is fast approaching. And this time, these terrorists have nowhere to hide.
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sidster
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Posted on 05-31-09 1:14
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id now i want you to say 1.Who is Baburam Bhattarai? Baburam Bhattari is a smart man with an outdated idea, who dreams of bringing changes to his country with arms revolution. He is still sticking to the path that UML and Congress gave up long ago. UML and Congress learned a good lesson with the failure of Arms Revolt and are still defamed for how they formed their parties. Baburam's idea of Arms revolution will make its party look nothing better than Hijackers/Robbers Congress and Head Chopping UMLs. Its just happened that he was the best finance minister in Nepal in its history. And its not because of his righteousness, its because of his dedication and diligent to his post. Also i do not call him the best politician ever in Nepal history. I think he is the best among all the losers we had who held the post of finance minister in the past. 2. Explain me the meaning of terrorism. Terrorism is a policy or ideology of violence[1] intended to intimidate or cause terror[2] for the purpose of "exerting pressure on decision making by state bodies."[1] The term "terror" is largely used to indicate clandestine, low-intensity violence that targets civilians and generates public fear.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism 3.explain me why pravakaran is killed options C) Pravakaran is killed because SriLankan Army is more dedicated, eligible and intelligent than his own army. He also didnt have enough approval for his terrorist act in SriLanka and Sri Lanka's big brother China assisted Sri Lankan army a lot in getting rid of Prabhakaran.Srilankan army had chinese blessings in getting rid of him is also a reason for his demise. a)because of his highly threatned nature b)because he was not smart 3) what you think about american government's thinking even the obama administration thinks maoist are terrorist and they should surrender their destructive activities. I support any government who thinks Maoists are terrorists and should surrender their destructive activities. I have agreed with many things Obama says and does 4)i wan't you to tell me why you call Nepal army terrorist even they are not in the world terrorist list...options is it because they kicked your dad or because they once kicked prachande's ass/ NA is not Terrorist, because any organation who is in Power is not called Terrorists, they are called Tyrants and Murderers. NA is a demoralized organisation who has no interest to serve its people and given the situation they are willing to follow the same path a terrorist would follow eg: the torture and killing of a 15 year old Child. So it doesnt matter if they are on the list or not. I am sure in your theory the tibetians fighting with arms in china are also terrorists...lol 5) how can you proudly say Nepal army was not able to wipe out maoist....is everything hidden from you? We saw how incompetent, worthless Army was during the 10 year insurgency. They didnt even have an estimate of how many PLAs there were. While PLAs could get inside info of army on where they would locate and operate but NA would have no clue of PLAs whearabouts. Yes. the actual work needed to be done and those inept team couldnt deliver. You cant expect much from the group who just sits there and eats "maasu bhat" in barrack on poor tax payers money. And gues what happened at the end, the mere 5000 strong PLA got some of what they wanted. That is seculism and Republic. Two of the demands that they went to Jungle for. What did Army get?.....Nothing....Thats why they were not able to defeate Maoists in the conflict. What does NA know about work ethic and responsibility. They are just happy to wash their bosses's wives peticoats and eat Masu bhat paid by poor nepal Tax Payers. 6)why you think maoist temporarily came to peace agreement? do you think they were growing so large in numbers or do you think they were in the verge of extinction? Maoists would like to think that they came to peace agreement as prachanda said in his video, which is to fool the political parties and buy more time to regroup and continue their goal of state capture. But i think Maoist temporarly came to peace agreement because india wanted them to do so. India needed to get rid of King KG and they used Maoists to get rid of KG. Its in India's interest to get Rid of Kings which were seen as obstacles for Nepal to become a full statelite of India. sidster please don't be offended i call you opportunist and a thugs who wear a blanket with a potrait of gandhi coz i have figured them out from a long discussion together.... You can call me whatever you want. You have proved you intellegence in this thread. You are nothing but emotions. I dont get offended if you call me oppurtunists, maoists or Peticoat washer sympethiser. My views are with me regardless of your light arguments.
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Posted on 05-31-09 1:51
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Peter, Baburam is not my hero and i would care less about preserving his heroism. I am only an observer and i have observed Baburam to be the best finance Minister in Nepal with his output in nepal's history. If the new finance minster outperforms Baburam in finance ministry, the new dude will take the No. 1 on my list and if Ram Sharan comes back with a result he will climb up to the No 1 rank. Get my other answers from message to Raju. You want to sound like an intellect but you lack rationality. The principle of " Anyone who is not with me is with them " is old now, caused Bush to cost the republican party's fall. I know you would like to label me as a Maoist Sympathesizer but i know that you are too smart to believe that i would believe you. Sid
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:17
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Sidster – You mentioned about Maoist victims being vindictive, given your diatribe against the army, what does that make you, especially, now that we know that your gripe against them goes back to your papa’s thrashing in 2046? I am not trying to personalise the issue, but you need to seriously calm down on this one and try to be little less vindictive and more objective. I also detect a certain amount of nostalgia for the monarchy in what you have stated, in particular, going back to your initial support for that couhon, Gyane. Yes, the Indians used a lot of things against Nepal, but there can be no doubt that if they did get rid of the monarchy, that’s probably one of the better outcomes. Now let’s get to the point. Barring individual cases of malfeasance, the men and women of the security forces can sleep soundly at night having fought these Maoist terrorists and prevented their outright takeover of Nepal. Notwithstanding the lack of clear strategy at the macro-political level, shortcomings of command and logistics, including communications, the failure to deploy adequate air power in a timely manner and the poor quality of field intelligence and its analysis, they fought splendidly in the most difficult of terrains. They need not apologise to anyone on this score, especially, factoring in the limitations imposed on them at the operational level by virtue of the shelter afforded to these terrorists from across the border to the south. Their efforts truly merit appreciation no matter the many, intense and the repeated assaults they have been subjected to from some quarters, which have sought to vilify and castigate these brave and dedicated men and women as terrorists and their opponents, the Maoists, as the heroes. In contrast, the Maoist terrorists know that sooner or later, their time of reckoning will come. They have no one but themselves to blame for banking on terrorism as their strategy. With this they fought the wrong war and the outcome for them is certain, annihilation. The world has moved on from giving any leeway to terrorists. Now there can be no second chances. It’s a question of when, not whether they will be finished off. It’s too late for your chum, Baburam – he’s going to get it both ways. For those who are no longer are prepared to submit to the dictates of these terrorists and live the rest of their lives in subservience to their warped ideology, the willingness, freedom and the ability to fight back is a necessary condition of self-defence, which, in turn, will assist to promote, preserve and nurture a way of life that values plurality and individual freedoms over tyranny. Apparently, you disagree.
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:48
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nepal army are murderers!!! and terrorists Example no 1-Nepal army organizing blood donation program
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:50
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nepal army are groups of hooligans and corrupt institute!!! example no 2- Nepal Army in development
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Posted on 05-31-09 2:52
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Nepal army involved in destroying Bridges!!! Example no 3-
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Nepal army spreading terror in the villages exaple no 4
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