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Quagmire
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Posted on 10-07-09 2:58
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Hello : I was wondering if someone could tell me what a "decent" stipend sum is. Also, what's the highest stipend amount you've heard of?
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Posted on 10-10-09 6:18
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funkybuddha, see, this is what amuse me. ur answer is similar to one guy who was asking about no. of nepalese in US. when i wrote ~150,000, he said there should more than that because his seniors came to US in the 1980's. he assumed his flock of seniors represented 1/2 of nep. pop. in US. same thing here, instead of providing average stipend, u presumed that all US uni. pay that standard amount as ur college pays. see 20 nep. in MIT etc do not represent total no. og nep.students!! we have ~ 60 nep. grads and in various fields and don't make that much money. u started ur first comment saying - biological sciences pay up to ~32 k. would have been better if u had said, MY college pay this much instead of flying off with mentioning top notch colleges and their stipends. hope these neps. will do smth for the country. i have been trying so far and will coninue to do so. i am in biosceince too. amen!!!
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Posted on 10-10-09 6:51
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Snowfed, I was only answering Quagmire's 2-part question when I wrote epends on the field. Biological sciences pay up to $32,000 a year
The first part to answer 'what's a decent sum?' and the second to answer 'what's the highest amount'?
Then nepthug came demanding citation for the second part and hence my response. If he were to look at the highest stipends, of course he'd have to look at sites of the top schools and not some random state school.
I can only write about what I know about. If the thread had asked for average stipend, then I would not have replied at all because I don't know what it is.
Blahblah, you are right about the stipends having to be in sync with living expenses. I am at a school in the northeast.
And I'm outta here. Astu!
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Posted on 10-12-09 9:40
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I find it ridiculous that everyone is going on and on about how funkybuddha917 mentioned higher stipend than they get paid. I felt that he answered the question originally posted on the forum. Don't be hating guys! And snowfed river just because you get around 10,000 dollars per year does not mean that it is the average stipend for the Nepalis.
Snowfed river, it seems that you do not know that we Nepalis do quite well in schools in the US. We have among the biggest international student population in the US and furthermore, there are a lot of Nepali kids in good schools throughout the US. You said you are in the field of Biosciences right? Did you know that there is a Biostatistician at Harvard (Shiva Giri)? Did you know that Assistant Head of Department of Biology at MIT is a Nepali? (Uttam Lal Rajbhandary)? So please don't think that an average nepali here in the US is you because it seems you have set quite a low standard for the Nepalese.
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:01
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oops.. I meant Shiva Gautam.. Sorry!
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:01
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oops.. I meant Shiva Gautam.. Sorry!
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Posted on 10-12-09 12:27
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Stipend for PhD in Biological sciences in the midwest range from 18,000-25,000.
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snowfed_river
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Posted on 10-12-09 8:31
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ur comments sure sound like blah..blah...that would resonate with ur nickname. u made me laugh after a hectic and carppy day. due to my low stipend, i set a low standard for being a nepali. ha- ha, ho-ho. i agree i did not read the main thread carefully and though buddha was flattering hisself. but he made it clear later. whenever u say smth, do it carefully. isn't this the first thing u learn in a grad school-do ur data collection and analysis very carefully. u have tripped again saying handful doing good. i also wrote they raised the stipend and now its 19 k/9 months. heelooo, read carefully. if nepalese carve a status in a field just like dhotis did in IT, i will not accept whether u or anybody says nepalese are doing good or well. i wish there were more. i wanna see wht the MIT goers would do have done. send me some article that would exhibit smth. i gotta go but truth is truth - we have a long way to go.bud. SR
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Posted on 10-12-09 9:35
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I am glad that my comments made you laugh. I wish I could say the same thing about your comments! I think you have the tendencies to not read the posts carefully and replying. Therefore, you started the discussion with Funky Buddha and later you realized that it was your lack of understanding. So I want you to take some time and read this carefully. 1) You were the only one that seemed to misunderstand what Funky Buddha had said. So instead of blaming the rest of the world, you should try to pinpoint your weaknesses and try to avoid them in the future. May be you need to read things carefully and not expect everyone else to explain things in a very trivial way just so that you can understand. 2) Did you see that average stipend in the field of Biosciences that I posted? - I did have a reference as well. 3) You mentioned that Nepal's education is not of the level to present great minds and I wanted to give you examples by citing professors. There are a lot more students in a good school in the US in the field of Molecular Life Sciences. There was a society of Nepalis in the field of Biomedical Sciences and they had quite a few people doing pretty well. So I don't think I would blame the Nepali education system completely. I agree it is outdated but I feel our base is quite good overall. 4) I am very happy for you that your stipend is 19 K per year. So may be you don't set such a low standard after all. You told us that you started with 9200 so to move almost 10K /year is a pretty huge achievement in itself. 5) You can't compare Nepalis in Biosciences with Indians in IT. IT boom did not require great infrastructure. All they needed was a functioning computer and a passion for computers. For Biosciences, you need huge infrastructure to start with and also huge investment. Furthermore, you can't compare a success story of a nation with 1 billion people with that of 20 million especially considering how bad the literacy rate of Nepal is. 6) I never said that we don't have a long way to go but to completely undermine what we have achieved would be premature. You take small steps to climb a mountain! I have been very positively motivated by Nepalis in the field of Molecular Life Sciences. When I was in College, assistant dean of NYU visited us. When I informed him that I was from Nepal, he was rather encouraging - He wanted me to apply to NYU. I ended up not applying there but he had been quite overwhelmed by 1 Nepali student there who had managed to do amazing research there and apparently now is a PostDoc at CALTECH. I think his last name was Kunwar. There is something we can learn from stories like these instead of only seeing things from a negative light. Oh.. And just so that you know, I don't go to a big shot Grad school but I believe that I can work hard and one day at least get to work with great minds as a postdoc.
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Posted on 10-12-09 10:40
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mr. blah, now, u are stretching a bit. to brag and to exaggerate are the two of the many qualities that we possess and we do not shy away to exhibit that. it would take a lot to change my mind beside ur statistics on few. so far i have seen and met nepalis who just talk BIG just like their leaders but hollow inside with no solid understanding of their work. may be i will have to go to top colleges to meet such individuals. i would appreciate anyone like Mahavir Pun who actually did smth. i beleive in using the resources of developed country to build our own. now, has anyone u know have done that? tell me and i will salute him/her. currently, we are working to uplift the livelihood of one impoverished community to sustain themselves. care to join. this is not an NGO/INGO but a group of poor grads with similar mindset. and i do know the education level of nepal and like other systems it is weak and feeble. one last thing - don't weigh value of education with money. my stipend do not reflect me, or does of anyone? SR
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:08
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Snowfed_river,
Now you sound like a rational human being. I am glad that you did not start off by name calling.
Let us get back into our discussion now.
Please let me know where, to put it into your words, I am "stretching a bit".
I don't think I have mentioned anything about bragging and exaggerating in my previous arguments. Would you care to explain what you mean by "we" in the context of bragging? Do you mean Nepalis? Because if that is the case then I would have to tell you that I do not know of any civilization or culture that does not have people who don't brag and exaggerate. You can not generalize a nationality or an ethnic group based on your experiences with some people. That kind of behavior is called "stereotyping" and it has never helped anybody.
And yeah.. May be you should go to top Universities to meet inspirational Nepalis.
I again fail to understand where Mahavir Pun comes from. I thought before this we were arguing about Prominent Nepalis in the field of Molecular Biology. You seem to have shifted gears and moved towards people that are working towards developing Nepal but I don't think I have talked anything about development of Nepal nor have I asked you to salute anyone. However, I should tell you that you can not completely ignore the contribution of these great scientists because they do a lot to introduce Nepal and our culture to the rest of the world. I feel that Dr. Uttam Lal Rajbhandary's fame has helped Nepal's fame as well.
I am very pleased to know that you are working towards upliftment of livelihood of one impoverished community. But again, I don't know how that relates with our argument of Nepalis in the field of Molecular Biology. And I would indeed like to work for a rural community in Nepal. I have taught orphans in school in the past in Nepal and I would like to use the skills and experiences that I will acquire here over the years to help Nepal in a small way.
I am glad that you realize that you can't blame the educational system of Nepal for the shortcomings of students because the same education system has produced people like Kul Chandra Gautam!
I completely agree that the value of your education can't be weighed with money. But it is a sad fact that your stipend does have a lot to do with the kind of educational institution you attend for a PhD. Better schools have more money and hence they can afford to offer a higher stipend. And I am not taking your stipend as a reflection of yourself. I barely mentioned that your stipend is an average stipend for PhD students in the field of Molecular Life Sciences and hence, you have done quite well!
You see Snowfed River, I do realize that I sort of sound rude but all I want you to comprehend is that when you argue, you should stay in context. You first started off dissing funkybuddha917 without realizing the topic and now you are straying off the argument by not addressing the topics we originally discussed. I hope you realize what I am trying to say!
I really honor your commitments towards Nepal though!!!
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Quagmire
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:29
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At the end of the day, what I intended to "learn" or know turned out to completely disappoint me. On a different note, I'm actually glad that you seniors are doing fantastic job by studying in different colleges. As for myself, I have a mere GPA of 2.6 and trust me, I didn't actually ask the question about stipend sum for myself. I had a discussion with one of my best friends who got offered 22 grand/year at WVU for biochemistry and I was a little curious, thats all. By the looks of things, I'll be struggling to get into a Grad school, top tier is out of my reach and question. I have a lot of job experiences but nothing spectacular or flashy. Things went downhill for me due to my personal problems ever since I entered my 4th semester and I never really recovered. As a matter of fact, during my senior year ( 1st semester ), I had a piss-poor GPA of 1.8 ( only 12 credits, 6 of which were supposed to be "easy As" ). But, I've vowed to improve and GMAT preparation is underway. The only hopeful tool on my side is my eligibility for student loans ( being a resident ) and unlike many, I don't wanna sit back and relax. Just because I don't need to worry about my status doesn't mean anything. I came here to study and except for some major hiccups, I've done fairly well in other fields - learning various aspects of life being the major gain. What do you seniors suggest then? Is there anything that an average Joe like myself can aspire for?
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Quagmire
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:32
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And I do really appreciate your decency and attitude to keeping this discussion civil and informative.
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:38
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Quagmire,
You have three choices: 1) Get a Masters Degree and do really well so that you can apply for a PhD on a Great School. 2) Work as a technician for 2-3 years at a good school and try to build a solid research background and then apply for a PhD. 3) Apply to a lot of schools and think about Top Tier Schools after your PhD.
Regardless, you still can do a lot better if you do well on your GREs and taking the subject GREs might help a lot as well.
Good luck!
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Quagmire
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:42
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thanks blahblah, My concentration in Undergrad was Finance. Not sure what kind of program should I apply for ( MBA, Masters in Finance ) or something else. I'll try to work real hard for my GMAT and hopefully, I'll get into a grad school. For now, getting into a grad school is my top priority.
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Posted on 10-12-09 11:52
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Posted on 10-13-09 1:07
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mr.blah, does biological science mean mol.science ONLY? i thought it encompass env. sci, biology and all other sciences. maybe i am wrong. see, i don't go to top college. budhha said bioscience and i wrote i am in bioscience too than u started dragging into mol.sci. don't linger in the past. what few nepali did is done and gone. never heard any of the names u mentioned. maybe, its not my particular field or maybe their contribution is not like Madam Curie. there was/is none in mine. i will google their names but just tell me quickly how he exposed nepal because i have used different strategy to do so. wanna know more, email me. but do a favor, don't say nepalis have done well just because few did. we are ~ 29 million and extra 7 million live abroad. more than 31% live below poverty but still we are big in no. i will get back to this quantity thing later. show me one thing that NRN have done that is praiseworthy. Nada. have u heard the president speak. he struggles in eng. if our edu. sys. was strong, don't u think there would be at least some lakhs who would expose us like the indians did. out of their 1.3 billion mass, 30% live under poverty but still 70% of the young generation speak fluent english and their vocab is way stronger than ours.ours still struggle in toefl. worse, we pay money to practise toefl. its not about the no. or quantity but quality that counts. u know in their every school be it primary to college, be it public or private, they are taught in english medium and that too rivals UKs. on the other hand, i have met so many youngsters who reflects current edu.system. how many dv winners have u met?? my area has colonies of them. when i interact with them i get this feeling, we have to wait another generation before we say we are smth. at this point, we can blame the fag govt. but for how long?? u are nowhere rude but i can be.. Nepal's deteriorating condition inspire me not a top college going snobby nepali. right now, we need every able nepali to contribute smth. do whatever u do but work towards dev. of ur poor nation. the day u do that, i will salute you.ok. say, u used ur knowledge to cure entire village for free or smth.
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Posted on 10-13-09 1:13
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quagmire, was in ur shoe but maintained strong gpa though! yes, life truly makes a man out of you. but keep working hard. u will get there. about the stipend-its you that matters. u will shine anywhere if u work hard. top college or average one. good luck.
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Posted on 10-13-09 1:48
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Hey buddy! No - Biological Science does not mean Molecular Life Science only. I don't think I have stated anywhere that it means that. What did I drag into Molecular Life Science? Where did you find my views wrong? Snowfed River, please stop using your rhetorics and changing the topics because you can't admit that the average stipend in Biological Science is higher than you expected and there are Nepalis that are doing quite well in the field of Biological Sciences. Biological Science encompasses the field of Molecular Science so you can not now counter-argue and say that achievements in Molecular Sciences are not worthy! Uttam Lal Rajbhandary exposed Nepal to people in his field by doing amazing work. I don't know if you realize this but a lot of people throughout the world have problems even locating Nepal on the map. Atleast the guy made Nepal famous by his contributions in the field. And do you know the number of prominent scientists he has trained? I don't feel like I need to email you so that you can tell me about your contributions to Nepal. I don't doubt your contribution Why don't you just mention it in the forum? . Look Snowfed , this discussion has never been about you! I don't have time to delve into how you have contributed to Nepal - I have already said that I appreciate it but what is the point you are making? I don't think it pertains to our discussion. Nepalis have indeed done well. You can't deny that. For a country with 20 million people, we have Professors at Harvard and MIT. You might be a pessimist but I feel that no matter how small, that is something to be proud of. And there are huge numbers of Nepalis in a Good School. I have met 5 kids who did their undergrad at Harvard in the last 5 years. Nepal is well represented in the best liberal arts colleges in the US. I don't care about the NRN as an organization and I have never brought them in our previous discussions so just spare me your views on them. Your arguments pertaining to India and President's English are just ridiculous. 1) Does great command of English reflect great education? - Look at China or Japan. 2) Do you think Politicians in Nepal reflect a good bunch of educated population? - I think you need to find a different sample size because politicians are not a representation of a good educated bunch. 3) Was Nepal ever occupied by the UK? - India speaks great English because it had to in the past. When British took over India, they left behind a lot including their language. You see that most of the colonial nations are great at speaking the language of the country that occupied them. Look at Lebanon and the French speaking population there for example. 4) Indians also pay a lot in terms of their expenditure for TOEFL. So does Japan and China and Korea - Does that mean that they are uneducated countries? (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/04/117_42399.html) 5) Why would I care about DV winners? Please stop beating around the bush here. 6) Where have I blamed the government in my argument ?
I love how you baselessly stereotype things. Why are Nepalis that go to top colleges snobby? I don't know why you are mentioning that we need every able nepali to contribute something. I don't think I disagree with you. You sound like a Model in a Miss World Competition whose answer to everything is "I want to end world poverty and hunger" but in your case it is more like "cure entire village for free or contribute to Nepal". You see such vague statements never did anyone any good. I completely agree that we should work towards the development of our poor nation but that has nothing to do with the stipend of students in Biological Sciences. And I don't want your salute because your salute is as worthless to me. I do hope that one day my finding will help a brilliant scientist to find a cure for a disease so that he can get rid of a disease for the whole world not just Nepal! But that is not the point of our discussion here.
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Posted on 10-13-09 1:56
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So after all this c rap, have you been able to figure out what a "decent" stipend really is?
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