I was reading the vituperative blog of our dear Paramendraji. I love the man because he throws dirt at everybody but me:) and he is a true disciple of our pugnacious TVman Bill Oreilly.

Anyway, I was reading his blog to enjoy one more round of curses/complaint/selfaggrandization of our dear old friend Paramendra, and I was thinking, 'here you go, he is cursing home minister once again'. But no this Sitaula he is cursing is fat and big and I have some drishtidosh, but I wouldn't characterize the homeminister sitaula as big and fat. Finally, looked at the name, and it is not krishna sitaula, but kiran sitaula. Poor man.

http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2007/02/kiran-sitoula-is-short-fat-idiot.html

Way to go paramendraji. His list of target includes janajati, kbrana, alok bohara, king, dying girija, murderous maoists, recalcitrant madhesis, kiran sitaula, krishna sitaula, sucheta pyakurel, pahade bahuns, budhanilakantha school's former classmates etc. I don't know about his political career (madhesi might enjoy hear his pugnacious comments, but when it is time to become minister, rhidayesh tripathi is ready to kill a thousand fellow madhesi !), but his talk show in TV is bound to be successful overnight.

Kantipur TV, give him a talk show. We want a new form of entertainment in Nepal. Forget Pawankali, here comes bishkali Paramendra.

Typo: "How relevant do you see the following:"

मैले गोदाई पक्का खान्छु होला, फेरि भगतको कुरो ल्यायो भनेर, तर आज पनि मनमा खसखस भएर गएँ भगतब्रोको वेब साइटमा।के गर्ने त्यो साइट नहेरि कन त खा'कै नपच्ने भैसक्यो। उपेन्द्र ज्यादबब्रो को अन्तर्बार्ता राख्यारैछ। पढेको भरमा हेर्दा त मुन्छे ठिकै जस्तो लाग्यो। पहिले त एक त पहिलेको माओबादि, त्यसमाथि हिन्दुको मिटिङमा बसेर भाषण दिएको भन्ने सुनेको थिएँ, तालनतुलको सिद्धन्त नभाको मान्छे, फेरि मधेसिको नाममा राजनीति गर्‍यो, मन्त्रीपद पड्कायो गर्ने त होला भन्ने सोचेको थिएँ (अझै पनि त्यै सोच्छु सोच्न त), तर अन्तर्बार्ताले मान्छे अलिकति र्यासनल त रैछ भन्ने लाग्या छ।

http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2007/02/upendra-yadav-interview.html

मैले यो मधेसि आन्दोलनको दौरानमा एउटाकुरो खुब नोट गर्‍याछु: यो यो पोस्टाँ यति पहाडे बाहुन, यति यो जाति, यति त्यो जाति भनेर खुब आयो, तर मधेसि भनेर एउटै ग्रुप मा आयो। बरु, मधेसि बाहुन कति प्रतिशत छन र तिनले सरकारि जागिर, डाक्टरि जागिर, इन्जिनीयरिङ् जागिर कति काछन भनेर आएन। मेरो बिचारमा झा, मिश्र, त्रीपाठी बाहुनहरुको प्रतिनिधित्व मजाले भा'छ। खाली मधेशका दलित लाई देखाएर हाम्लाई बढि भाग देओ भन्न खोज्या हो जस्तो लाग्छ। सधै आफै ले दलित लाई दबाउने, अनि ल सरकारले यिनीहरुलाई हेरेन भनेर मधेशको भाग बढाउन दबाब दिएर आफै खाने दाउ गर्‍य हो जस्तो लाग्छ।बाहुनको जात जहाँ पनि बाठै हुन्छ, हुन त म पनी बाहुन नै हो, तर एउटा न्यार्नीलाई लाइन मारेदेखि आफुलाई बाहुन भन्न छोड्याछु, बेकार टेन्सनमात्र।

अनि फाइनल्लि, हाम्रो मधेसि ब्रो हरुले पनि बुझ्नु पर्‍यो, त्यो मधेसिलाई कायर भन्ने भट्टराइलाई थोडा हाम्ले जिताको हो र? पहाडमा जित्न नसकेर पर्सा जिल्ला गएर चुनाब लडेको हैन? आफुनै भोट हाल्ने गिर्जा बाबु, माधब नेपाल ईत्यादिलाई, अनि फेरि यस्तालाई नेता बनायौ भनेर हामी पहाडियालाई गाली गर्ने। नेक्स्ट ट्याम यिनीहरुको जमानत जफत गराइदिस्यो न, अनि देख्छन बाउको बिहे, कसरी मधेसि समस्या समाधान नगरी बस्न सक्दा रैछन, हैन? यस्तो शान्तिपुर्ण उपाय हुदाहुदै।।

"अनि फाइनल्लि, हाम्रो मधेसि ब्रो हरुले पनि बुझ्नु पर्‍यो, त्यो मधेसिलाई कायर भन्ने भट्टराइलाई थोडा हाम्ले जिताको हो र? पहाडमा जित्न नसकेर पर्सा जिल्ला गएर चुनाब लडेको हैन? आफुनै भोट हाल्ने गिर्जा बाबु, माधब नेपाल ईत्यादिलाई, अनि फेरि यस्तालाई नेता बनायौ भनेर हामी पहाडियालाई गाली गर्ने। नेक्स्ट ट्याम यिनीहरुको जमानत जफत गराइदिस्यो न, अनि देख्छन बाउको बिहे, कसरी मधेसि समस्या समाधान नगरी बस्न सक्दा रैछन, हैन? यस्तो शान्तिपुर्ण उपाय हुदाहुदै।। "

त्यही त भन्या, पिरे ब्रो । कस्ले भट्टराइ ब्रो, माकुने, चक्रे, भरते, खद्गे लाई जिताउ भन्यो, मधेश बाट्? आफुलाई मधेशि को मसिहा सम्झिने सद्भावना का मधिशेजन् हरु सबै ठाउँमा उम्मेद्बार् थिए नै। भोट् दिने बेला मधिशेलाई न दिइ, पहाडेलाई दिने अझ उल्टै मधेशि को समानुपातिक प्रतिनिनिधित्व चाहियो रे। पर्मेन्दर् को गाली तमधिशे माथि बर्सिनु पर्ने हो, साला, मधिशे लाई भोट् न दिइ पहाडेलाई भोट् दिने नमक् हराम् हरु भनेर, होइन र पिरे ब्रो? हेर्नु ब्रो, अब आउने चुनावमा तराइको बढेको संख्या पहाडे नै जित्ने छन्, त्यो उपेन्द्रे अनि परमेन्द्रे जस्ताहरुको हाल् बेहाल् हुने छ। माओबादि जस्तै बिना इलेक्सन् संसदमा पुगे मात्र हो। तर यथार्थ् यहि हो ति।नीहरु र तिनका आसेपासेहरु मालिक खुशी पार्न भुकेका मात्र हुन। नेपाली उखान् नै छ, भुक्ने कुकुर् ले टोक्दैन। अस्तु।

त्यै त, आफैलाई कायर भन्ने भट्टराइलाई फेरि आफै जिताउने। ए बाबा ति बाठाटाठा मधेसीहरु एक हुल बाधेर पर्सा जिल्लामा क्याम्प बसाएर यो पानबुढोले हाम्लाई कायर भनेको, यसलाई जिताउन हुदैन भन्दै क्याम्पेन गर्नु पर्ने हैन? काठमाण्डु, गोर्खामा त बुढोलाई 'यस्तो हाउडे' भनेर भोट नदिएकै हुन नि!

तेस्तै सिटौलाको राजिनामा भनेर किचकिच गर्नु भन्दा 'आइजा झापामा अनि देख्लास, कसरी भोट ल्याउलास हामी पनि हेरमला' भनेपछि सिटौलाको सातो जादैन र भन्या? बच्चा जस्तो राजिनामा दे नत्र बार्ता गर्दैनम किन भन्न परेको?

मधेसीले दुख पाउनमा धेरै हदसम्म मधेसी नेतृत्वपनि जिम्मेवार छ। अब माग हेर्नुस न, 'हिन्दीलाई राष्ट्र भाषा बना' रे। त्यस्तो मागले मधेसीलाई फायर अप गर्छ? 'मैथिलि लाई राष्ट्र भाषा बना', 'भोजपुरि लाई बना', 'अवधीलाई बना', 'थारुलाई बना' भने पो। अब अमेरिकामा हिन्दिलाई राष्ट्रभाषा बना भनेर आन्दोलन गर्‍यो भने के बंगाली, नेपाली हरु फायर अप हुन्छन र भन्या? अब मेरो मधेसी एउटा ठुलाबडा साथीले भन्छ कि 'हिन्दिले मधेसी लाई कनेक्ट गर्छ'रे। गर्छ खुब। मैथिलि बाट हिन्दि र नेपालि भाषाको दुरि बराबर छैन? भोजपुरिबाट पनि त्यहि हैन? कति फरक छ र हिन्दि र नेपाली नै? जसलाई आफ्नै मातृभाषाको माया छैन तिनले कसरी सफल राजनीति गर्न सक्छन? गज्जुबाबुको पार्टी फेल खाकै कारण त्यहि हो, मैथिली वा भोजपुरि को सट्टा हिन्दि कसलाइ खुशी पार्न माग्या हो? अब ह्याँ नेपालगञ्ज मा मधेसीलाई लुट्दा पुलिसले हासेको भिडियो कु कुरो आ'छ। मैले पनि हेरें, एकदम शेमफुल छ। तर नेपालगञ्जमा त्यो काण्ड हुदा सत्तामा सद्भावना थियो कि थिएन? सत्तारुढ पार्टीको रुपमा उसको जिम्मेवारी हुन्छ कि हुदैन? केहि शब्द बोल्यो? बिरोध गर्‍यो? राजीनामा दिन्छु, राम्ररी छानबीन नगर्ने हो भने भनेको भए सिरियसले सबैले लिन्थे, हैन? आफुले सत्ता पाए सम्म मधेसीले दुख पाउन या सुख पाउन, नागरिकता पाउन या नपाउन यिनलाई मतलब छैन। यि सबै आफै छोटे राजा हरु हो, आफुले नै गाउँमा तल्लो जातको लाई दबाएर खाने गरेको हरु हो।

हामीजस्तो साधारण नेपालीले न तराईमा कर उठाएर खा'छ, न हाम्ले कहिल्यै कसैलाई दबा'छ। हाम्लाई त तराई पनि धनि होस, तराईमा आइमाईलाई राम्रो ब्यबहार होस, छुवाछुत अन्त होस, सबै ठुला हुन भन्ने छ। तराईलाई राम्रो बनाउने काम अन्तमा तराइकै नेताहरुको हो। उहाँहरु आफै सोचेर काम गर्नु हुन्न, आफै झगडा गर्नु हुन्छ, आफै पपुलर हुनुहुन्न आफ्नै जनतामाझ, आफै कहिले शरदसिं भण्डारी, कहिले बद्री मण्डल, कहिले भट्टराइलाई जिताउने, अनि फेरि हामिलाई गाली गर्ने गर्नु हुन्छ, यो त अलि भएन नि, हैन?

साबधन् !
साथी हो नेपालमा मुसा जेल बाट छुटो रे । साबधन मुसा तपाईंको घरमा छिर्ला । मुसा मर्ने औषधी किन्नुहोस्, मुसा पसो कि च्बाट ।

Rahul vai wrote:

"भौतिक रुपमा भलै देश टुक्राउन सकिन्न होला, भावनात्मक रुपमा पहाडे र मधेशे भनेर टुक्राउने दुश्प्रयास सुरु भै सक्यो र अब जनजाति, थारु अनि अरु ले पनि देखासिकि गरि सके।"


Which planet is Rahul vai from?

Though he considers himself a loktantrik and all that, he has this "sundar shanta bishal" Panchayati image of Nepal.

That image was good for RNAC posters and Mahendra Mala books. But the reality was and is different
for many in Nepal.

Given Nepal's ethnic diversity and given how little was done to address the grievances of many janjatis and non-Kathmandu-based minorities from the 1950s to the 1990s, Nepal was always some sort of a Yugoslavia in the making.

All along, we'd been skating on thin ice.

Now that we have slipped, people like Rahul Vai rush to pretend that the floor was not icy after all, and that it's the fault of some other people!

But now that -- with these andolans -- the shit has hit the fan, the straightforward questions are:

1) Do we still deny reality, and preach the songs of some la-la national brotherhood and hope that the problems will somehow go away, only to engulf the whole country and tear it to pieces?

OR

2) Do we take a cold hard brutal look at how we all are, and take confidence-building, trust-building, step-by-step measures to address the grievances of so many Nepalis under a democratically framed rule-of-law-regime?

As a pahadiya bahun who does not fancy the prospects of Nepal going the Yugoslavia way, I choose the SECOND option (knowing fully well that it's a much harder but better option).

That is why, I, for one, yearn for groups of statesmen and stateswomen to emerge in Nepal in
this hour . . . from any walk of life.

Here is an article, that talks about various shades of discrimination that's been going on in Nepal for ages.

- http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2007/others/guestcolumn/feb/guest_columns_07.php

An extract:

"Discrimination of people on the basis of language, custom, caste, etc., has always been rampant in Nepal. People who have lived in Madhes for generations but are of Parbate lineage are considered Madhesis by the rest of the countrymen but Parbates by Madhesis. These people have their own burden to bear. Madhesi is not the only group, which is a victim of discrimination in Nepal; one can go on forever about Janjatis (indigenous community) for example. As a matter of fact, every Nepali who lives outside the inner Kathmandu valley has been discriminated one way or another throughout the history of Nepal. Sadly even among those who are the victims of discriminations, there are internal discriminations within themselves."

oohi
ashu

eh ashu bro,
did you care to read my post? any justifications?
well, I thought you are going to defend yourself buddy...

Isn't that a guy who is a real estate broker somewhere in East coast? He was in ANA forum.

आशु जी,
सर्बप्रथम त म यही धरतीमा छु र आफ्नै भाषा बोल्छु र लेख्छु, त्यसैले कुनै ग्रहको हो होइन आँफैले जाँच्नु ।अझ पनि भ्रम छ भने तपाइले चस्मा मात्र फेरेर पुग्दैन, आँखा पनि फेर्नु पर्ने हुन्छ। दोस्रो कुरो, पञ्चायती स्वरूप कस्ले बोकेको भन्ने कुरा त बुझ्ने ले बुझेका छन । मीठा र चिल्ला कुरा ले झुठ छोपिन्नन । इतिहास मा लेखिएका झुठ्ठा पाना हरु, देश भन्दा ब्यक्तिको स्तुती गाइएका गानाहरु हामीले धेरै सुन्यौ, सायद् तपाइले भन्दा बढि भोग्यौं पनि। पन्चायत् काल् को भूत को त्रास् तपाइले भन्दा धेरै मैले र मेरो घरका अग्रज् हरुले भोगेका थिए। मेरै बुबा र काका हरुले जेल को काल् कोठरिमा बिताएका क्षणहरु र त्यस्को चित्कार् अनि घरको अस्तब्यस्थ हाल् को कहानी मलाइ याद् छैन होला र। यी सब भोगेर नै देश को बिखन्दन् चाहने हरु प्रति अझ अक्रोश् जन्मिएको हो।

लेखेको पढेको कुरा लेख्नु भए छ, बिद्वता झल्किएको छ नै। त्यो भन्दा सत्य भोगेको कुरा हुन्छ। म भन्दिन, मधिसे जनजाति दलित माथि पक्षपात् भएको छैन। जति भए, त्यो भन्दा बढि अमिलो अङ्गुर् सरि असफलता लाई दोष लगाउने ठाउँ भए। सरकारि नोकरि, राजनिती बन्द ब्यापारमा समेत् ब्राम्हण जातिको बाहुल्य देखिन्छ नै। के ब्राम्हण् धेरै हुनु को अर्थ अरु लाई पक्षपात् गरेको ठहरिन्छ? काठमाडौका नेवार् ( म पनि ) हरु ले जति सुबिधा र अबसर के खोटाङ र ओखल्ढुङ्गाका बाहुन ले पाए त? तै पनि लोक सेवामा तिनै सफल भए । यस्मा तिनको मेहनत र योग्यता भन्दा नि अरु लाई पक्षपात ढंगले पछि पारेर सफल भएको भन्ने पद्म रत्न त मल्ल के सुन्दर को स्वरमा सुर मिलाउनु हुन्छ भन्ने मेरो केही भन्नु छैन ।
मैले भने नि जतिय भेद न भएको होइन, मैले नि भोगेको छु, ब्यक्तिगत रुपमा, तर जुना रुपमा बिस्फोटकिय रुपमा आन्दोलन नै गर्नु पर्ने अवस्था त छैन ।
नेपाल भाषा आन्दोलन देखि २०४७ अनि २०६२-६३ को आन्दोलन नजीक बाट नियालेको छु । टोल टोलामा कुरा सुनेको छु,आफ्नो कुरा राखेको छु। लोक सेवा पनि दिने हिम्मत् नगर्ने अनि बाहुन् मात्र पास् हुने भन्ने पूर्बस्थापित् हारेको मान्सिकता ले ग्रसित् सोच ले यथार्थता स्वीकार्न चांहदैनन्। गम्भीर् रुपमा लिने नेवार् मात्र होइनन्, राइ लिम्बू, मधिशे सबै ले सफल्ता हासिल् गरेका छन्। बाहुन् ले राम्रो गरेको छ र गर्छ भनेर स्वीकार् किन न गर्ने। प्रतिस्पर्धामा त समान् अबसर् दिनु पर्दछ नै, तर त्यस पछि, योग्य ब्यक्ति नै छनिनु पर्द्छ। यसमा पनि नया लोकतान्तृक् सोच् वा सिद्धान्त निकाल्नु भएको छ भने म मा त्यसको जानकारि छैन। आरक्षण को माग गएको हो भने पहिला स्वीकर्नु सक्नु पर्यो, हामी अरु भन्दा कमजोर् र असक्षम् छौ भनेर। भारत् मा भएको दलित् जनजाति लाइ दिदै आएको आरक्षणको दुस्परिणाम् घाम् जति कै छर्लङ्ग छ।
तपाईंले जती बुझ्नु भनेको छ नि जनजातिको कुरा, त्यती न बुझेको हुंला तर बुझ्दै न बुझेको ( किन कि अंग्रेजी न जानेको ) चाँही पक्कै छैन ।
मधिशेको नि प्रशासन मा न होला, इन्जीनियरिङ्ग क्षेत्रमा उल्लेख्य उपस्थिती छ, शिक्षा क्षेत्रमा अरु जाती भन्दा बढी छ ।
लोकतान्त्रमा सबैको आवाज सुनिनु पर्दछ, त्यो सही हो । आवज् उठाउने पनि सहि ब्यक्तिको चुनाव
गर्नु पर्‍यो नि । उनिहरुको भाषामा भन्दा पहाडेलाई नै जिताउने मधेशबाट अनि अहिले टाउको गन्ने, यो कहाँको लोकतन्त्र हो? आशुजी को लोकतन्त्र यही हो कि?
जाती र भाषाको नाम मा हिजो पञ्चायत काल मा पनि आन्दोलित थियौं ।आनदोलित हुनु स्वाभाबिक मानिएला तर अहिले को समयको तकाजालाई पनि ध्यान दिने कि नदिने? प्रतिगामीले अनेक बाहना खोजिरहेको बेला तराई जल्नु-जलाउनु समय सापेक्ष रह्यो कि रहेन,
प्रश्न यो हो । संसदिय ब्यबस्थामा आस्था छ
भने धेरै कुरा संसदबाट पूरा हुने हुन्छ । ५३ जना मधिशे मूलका सांसदा हरु संख्या कम भन्न मिल्दैन ।
संक्रमनकाल को सत्ताले रातारात सबैको अनगिन्ती सपनाहरु साकार गर्न सक्छ कि सक्दैन, सोच्नु पर्छ कि पर्दैन?
अस्तु!

Rahul vai,

It's early morning where I am.
I haven't had my coffee yet . . . so I am a bit groggy.

But even with groggy eyes, I can tell that your constant self-referenced "अंग्रेजी न जानेको" kura sounds both dishonest and manipulative, considering that you are in the US in some PhD program (at Drew or Drexel University in Pennsylvania).

Unless you are writing your thesis in Nepali bhasa (by telling your professor that you do not know English), let's be real yaar.

What's with this constant references to your English abilities?
What do you hope to achieve by them?

It's fine if you love to post in Nepali bhasa.
It's also fine if you dislike others who write/post in English.

But don't show this false modesty re: "अंग्रेजी न जानेको" kura and then expect sympathies. Else, without intending to be such, you come across as one of those smooth-talking communist netas who use mitho, seductive and flowing Nepali bhasa to screw uneducated/illiterate Nepalis in villages.

That's not what you are, are you?

I, for one, ENJOY communicating in both Nepali and English bhasa,
and do NOT consider others' proficiency or lack of fluency in either of those bhasa as a sign of anything. People's language abilities just mean that they people are different, and that's that. Who says knowing one bhasa over the other is a sign of punditry? Don't stir controversies where there are none.

Meantime, read another article by another -- in my opinion -- sensible Madhesi. All these sensible, middle-of-the-road Madhesis cannot be telling lies and acting as agents of reactionary forces, can they?

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Nepali too
Community identity doesn't preclude belonging

By Prashant Jha
The Nepali Times

From Issue #332 (19 January 07 - 25 January 07) |

This is not a saga of victimhood. To think of it in those terms would be an inaccurate representation of my life. I was born into an upper-class Kathmandu family. My parents are well ensconced in the capital's professional and social circuit. I went to good schools here, moved to India for higher education, got a job in Delhi with a Nepal-based magazine, and have rarely been made to feel like an outsider, at least publicly.

But things are never quite that simple. My forefathers on both sides are from Bihar, where we still have deep family links. My paternal grandfather settled in Rajbiraj, became a Nepali citizen six decades ago, and made the great leap to Kathmandu as it was getting out of the Rana rut in the 50s. I speak a mix of Hindi, English, and Maithili at home, in that order. My spoken Nepali is heavily interspersed with English and Hindi words. Reading the national language is a struggle and I don't plan to attempt writing in it anytime soon.

Language is a more substantive marker of distinction than we often acknowledge. In school, anticipating the move to India for further education, I opted for Hindi over Nepali. In class six, the significance of that hit home. While eating lunch, a friend said, in a mix of seriousness and jest, "You are a dhoti". When I discovered that the term—definitely derogatory—was associated with madhesis, who in turn were equated with Indians, I tried hard to run away from my identity. I hung around with Kathmandu kids, called the other Indians in school 'dhoti', and rationalised studying Hindi by saying it was what my parents wanted.

But I couldn't run too far. The differences were too many: we went vegetarian during Dushera as Kathmandu feasted on meat; we didn't do tika; Tihar was the one-day Diwali for me. My father, short and on the darker side, made it a point to wear kurta-pyjama. It was a dress I took to later and that, with the accented Nepali and the surname, often provoked the remark that we don't look Nepali.

Telling people constantly that you are indeed a Nepali citizen is not pleasant.

It's taken me time to come to terms with my identity. My liberal education and understanding of how the homogenising tendency works in society, and a sense of security, no doubt helped by the present political discourse of inclusiveness, allows me to be candid about my background. It gives me the confidence to give the brush off to those who question my 'Nepaliness'. In the last few years, I have reported occasionally on Nepal politics, which also gives me an added sense of citizenship and belonging.

My story is not representative. My family migrated from south of the border, while others' ancestors have been in the tarai for centuries. I was comfortable in English, the language of power, and moved out, which together allowed me to escape the handicap of not being Nepali enough for the self-appointed guardians of nationalism in the Valley. Besides some taunts and subtle insinuations, I was never deprived of opportunity.

But spare a thought for the person who speaks only Maithili, Awadhi, Bhojpuri or, at best, Hindi, who lives, in the tarai, with the stigma of not 'being Nepali', has cultural practices distinct from the mid-hill mainstream, does not have access to the power structure, has memories of being mercilessly exploited through history, and whose identity brings discrimination and deprivation even today. Don't blame them for being alienated from the system.

Understand the anger. Empathise with the bitterness.

A few weeks ago, a columnist in these pages, in a style reminiscent of national integration Panchayat textbooks, carped against the 'divisiveness' sparked by politicians, and asserted that he was a 'Nepali first'. Whatever that means. How about creating conditions for those down south to have the comfort of saying that?

(Prashant Jha is the Delhi-based assistant editor of Himal Southasian.)

Ashu,
The concept of "sundar shanta bishal" is NOT the Panchayati image of Nepal. Nepalese people have the freedom to dream "sundar shanta bishal" Nepal. Don't try to dismiss it by relating it to the Panchayati image. Or, are you trying to say to have a sense of patriotism is Panchayati by nature? How blasphemous of you to portray it to be good only for RNAC posters and Mahendra Mala books?

Yes, there are realities. Harsh realities. But amidst all those realities, there is another reality- love and dream of a properrous nation. Face this, whether you like it or not.

I will definitely choose your second option, as you did. But you don't have to twist the concept of national brotherhood. You don't necessarily have to mock that feeling.

I think many of us have already agreed that the issues of social injustice, discrimination have to be addressed by the nation. No need to repeat that again, and again, and again; and again; to push this thread to the height of boredom.

That's that.

typo: prosperous

Ashu,
I m still waiting for your response....can you defend yourself against the contradictions you have made in your earlier posts?

See my previous posts....

bibas100 ...are you crazy ?? get of his back ..will you ??taile jitish ..tai bidwaan ....tai thulo ...tai maaahaan ...aba ta pugyo ?

Daniel,
Are you ashu in a different nick? Well, if someone claims something in a seemingly well-versed manner giving suggestions to us about what we should do and what we shouldn't, one should be able to defend himself/herself right?

I was just pointing out the contradictions...

Ashu made a mistake by replying to you in the first place. May be he does not want to repeat that mistake again.

राहुलभाई र आशुब्रोको कुरो यता र उता घुमीरा बेला म पनि केहि प्याच्च बोलि हालुँ जस्तो लाग्यो, खसखस लाग्छ के गर्नु। हुनत सानो मुखले ठुलो बात नगर्नु भन्छन, ठुला मान्छे कुरो गर्‍या बेला चुपचाप सुनेनि हुनिहो। तर तित्राको मुखै बैरी भनेझै प्याच्च बोल्न पर्नी क्या मलाई जहाँतहिं।

राहुलभाईको एउटाकुरो सँग सहमत छु, यो जनजाति, मधेसी हरु ठ्याक्क संबिधान सभा भन्दा अघि किन उफ्रेको? योगि नरहरीनाथले पन्ध्र सालमा पनि यस्तै के के गरेर बिपिको सरकार ढाल्न कोसिस गरेका थिए, र यो पनि त्यहि कुरोको निरन्तरता हो जस्तो लाग्छ। शान्ति प्रकियामा देश गा'को छ। अस्ति सम्म देश कहाँ थियो, माओबादि एकतिर लड्दै, राजा अर्को तिर हाइजाज चढेर अफ्रीका घुम्दै,मण्डलेहरु जुगाजस्तो स्याउँस्याँउ बिगबिगि गर्दै देशको धन चुसेर नक्कलि चुनाव गराएर हिडेका थिए। आज नब्बे प्रतिशत भन्दा बढि देश चुनाबमय भैसक्यो, यो प्रजातन्त्रलाई सस्थागत गर्नु एकदम जरुरत छ। मधेसीहरुको समस्या छ,तर प्लिज एकपटक चुनाब हुन दिऔं, अनि अन्तरिम संसदमा के हुन्छ हेरौ, आफ्नो सांसदलाई मधेसी रज्यको लागी पुश गरौं। सयौं अप्सन छन नि बाबा।

अनि यो मान्छे बहुलाए कम्निस्त भन्छ भनेर सिक्किमको पहिलेको मुख्यमन्त्री नरबहादुर भण्डारीले भनेको याद आउछ मलाई। हेर्नुस त त्यो जनजाति, मधेसी भनेर राजनीति गर्ने जति जम्मै चुनाब हारेक, रिजेक्टेड, भ्रस्ट, असहिष्णु अनुहार छन। पद्मरत्न, मल्लके सुन्दर, निधी, उपेन्द्र यादब, गोइत, ज्वालाआदि। यिनीहरुलाई के थाहा छ भने चुनाबमा जनताले यस्ता रेडिकललाई त रिजेक्ट गरिहाल्छन। त चुनाब कसरी हुन नदिने, कसरी पानी धमिलो बनाएर माछा मार्ने भन्ने यिनको दाउ छ।अनि के गर्ने त भन्दा यस्तै सरकार कमजोर भा'को बेला पारेर सबभन्दा खतरा नारा दिने, चक्काजाम गर्ने आदि।

अरु जाति पछाडि परेका छन, तर त्यसको समाधान जे भए पनि जुन बाटो गए पनि तिनका बच्चाले राम्रो सँग पढ्नु नै हो।यो नेताहरुलाई यो पनि थाहा छ, यिनिहरुले आफ्नो छोर्छोरीलाई त राम्रो स्कुलमा पढाकै छन, तर गरीबका छोर्छोरी पढ्ने स्कुल बन्द गर्देर, तिनलाई पछि लाएर हिडेर आफ्नो निहित स्वार्थ पुरा गर्न खोज्या छन।अरु उपाय हुदाहुदै, प्रोसेस छ भन्ने जान्दा जान्दै, 'प्रोसेसै छैन, लड्नै पर्छ, बोक खुकुरि भाला, काट, मार, यो यो थर भाका हरु हाम्रा दुश्मन हुन' भन्दै रोडमा जानु अपराध नै हो।

अलि मिलेन छ पहिले लेखेको कुरो। नरबहादुरले भनेको 'स्याल बहुलाए शहर पस्छ, मान्छे बहुलाए कम्निस्ट बन्छ' रे। अनि यो पहिलेको कम्निस्ट पछि ठुलो जतियताको कुरो गर्ने भएर निस्कने हाम्राँ मात्र हैन, अनि त्यो पहिले को युएसएसआरमा पनि यस्तै रैछ।आफ्नो नबिक्ने सिद्धान्त भएपछि अर्को चर्कानारा खोज्नु पर्‍यो, पहिलेको कम्निस्ट नेता जम्मै कुनै कजाख, कुनै तुर्कमेनिस्तान कुनै के कुनै के राज्य खोलेर त्यहाँको आजीवन राष्ट्रपति भएर बसेका छन। म त छक्क पर्छु।

Ashu ji,

To hit the nail on the head first, we don't care whether your "groggy"ness is due to lack of caffeine or cocaine. We don't give a hoot about your personal details.
Not only that, we also don't need to be explained what and where rahulvai is pursuing his doctorate degree.

Why why why? Why is this significant here. You again twisted rahulvai's opinion. He never said he is English illiterate. Pursuing a doctorate degree doesn't demand a sharp precison of English that you seem to have.

Thanks for posting Prashant Jha's article. I doubt if you noticed something different here in his article than what other Natwarlaals bark. Prashant proves that you don't necessarily have to abuse "Pahadi Bahuns" to justify what you have to say. Also, he is generous enough to say his story is not representative.Please note that carefully.

He says it all in these sentences:
"Understand the anger. Empathise with the bitterness. "

Awesome.

anshuji,

Here are my cents or paisa whatever:

1. This debate is a close to the question,"is burning flag free speech?", and vast majority of americans think it's a crime while high court disagree.

2.While you're thinking as court and rest as americans in this issue.

3.But believe me or not, patriotism does good to the country whether it is based on true or false pretence (USA is good example).

4.People often feel- does it make sense to give damn about free speech if there is no nation or nationalism?

5. We all know thin ice is there and must be resolved but to insult the nation as whole even before serious issues are debated proves that so called these leadership have already made up their mind, where they belong?

6. What people here (with diversity) wanted to point out was emotional side of patriotism whether he is well informed or not, it really doesn't matter but does country good.

7. Should we give high regard to someone's personal freedom at the expense of nation? Loktantra comes only after Desh not vice versa. Thank god we can still extend this thread up.

8.Remember free speech is not absolute,it is suspendable sometimes in the interest of nation (Ex. FDR) and hatred free speech? it is quelled often.

9.Spreading hate about particular race ethnicity is the main issue here- crime in most countries.Under development, discrimination issues are valid,so why not say these kathmanduwale,sarkarwale instead of race based slogan like khas or pahade?

10.Using term madesh, madhesi may be the starting point, to conincide with our popular slang (sadly) "madeshe dhoti",otherwise most only knew that part of Nepal as "terai" and "teraibashi" (damn textbook).

11.Hatred towards dark hindi speaking people is there, but unknowingly, assumming, they're from india,not race hatred but hate toward different countrymen (we call white "quire", "bander" etc,british -french,canadian - american fued etc.) but these leaders wanna be are pouring hatred towards pahade knowingly that they are from nepal not china. Intention is needed in order it to be a hate crime.

12.No matter how you try to bring people together knowing the reality, if hate is in heart, yugoslavia will be today's yugoslavia, you cannot change that outcome. But if hate is not there, merely the issue of self rule, the outcome can be similar to canada.

12.To kill the seed of hate is being realistic not idealistic these days.Everybody now wish if Hitler was never there ( going little too far here).

13.Sad but true, free speech sounds good and flourish only when the country is stable and as a whole.High court would have made decision otherwise.

14. And spammer? why we needed law to punish them if it was just free speech? isn't porn free speech too? Most people feel Mr. Bhagat's emails full of hatred as filthy as porn, that's all.Othrwise he can be negleted without any remorse like you said.

15.Bringing childhood bullying and hatred as an example is itself somehow childish. Sadly, it happens all over the world not only in Nepal.That may why we consider adult only after 18.I hardly seen that when everyone is in college- a point where people from all over Nepal meet together.